Tales of an Unexpected Gallbladder

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February 16, 2022 | 11 Comments


  1. Mary I’m so sorry that happened to Shane. I thought perhaps the vaccines might have a kindling effect with those who have been taking ssris. I had a few problems crop up but nothing so severe. I wouldn’t cope well in the situation you describe as I quickly get burnt out in stressful situations so I avoid them like the plague.

    I am eating healthy regular meals which I think is helpful plus I take supplements which do appear to help dampen the ridiculous stress responses. I still feel spaced out when I visit my local grocery store, I forget items I want to buy my short term memory doesn’t work as well as it used to so I have to take deep breaths to gather my thoughts to remember what I am doing. I have found taking lysine with arginine at lunch time helps me in the afternoons. I take lemon balm, ashwagandha, magnesium glycinate and montmorency cherry with my dinner in the evening which really help me to sleep.

    In the mid afternoon I drink a hot chocolate with added valerian powder now. I have moved away from my morning coffee and afternoon soup regime as it didn’t feel right for my current state. I have been a bit stressed due to the DWP not accepting a perfectly valid fit note issued by my GP at the beginning of February. I think that issue should get resolved soon. I want to get back into work again but I feel that I cannot do that in my current condition.

    I have found that taking baths with acai berry baths salts very soothing. I burn incense sticks and put on relaxing spa music as I spend alot of time in bed feeling rather peculiar. There might be things that I do that will help Shane to feel better.

    I have a plan to taper off the remaining liquid Fluoxetine which my father kindly produced a spreadsheet and sent it to me from his home in Warragul in Australia. The tapering plan will create a non linear dose reduction as I go from 2.5mg down to 0mg, it will take about a year to complete. The idea is that I keep taking 0.6ml of the liquid each day and at the end of the week top the 70ml bottle up with 4.2ml of water.

    I performed a linear taper going from 5mg to 2.5mg from July to October last year and remained at 2.5mg. I was hit like a brick wall with some very unpleasant symptoms in early December where I would continually wake up at 2am and had PoTs symtoms and burning hands and feet. I think this occurred due to elevated cortisol you can test your blood for that but I didn’t have the kit. Thankfully this problem diminished in a couple of weeks but it wasn’t a pleasant experience. I found after waking up at 2am taking additional magnesium glycinate helped to calm things down so sometimes I was able to get back to sleep. Having elevated cortisol at night has a similar effect as if you drank a strong coffee at night it isn’t easy to get back to sleep.

    I was in quite a bad patch in early December and could not think straight so I couldn’t join the Zoom meeting we had scheduled. I had some really incapacitating waves of extreme anxiety during the day during this period so I was very preoccupied dealing with those. I felt as if my brain was overloaded and couldn’t possibly take on anything else.

    I still find I wake up in the mornings feeling stingy with a headache and I’m irritable. I take my morning set of supplements which include feverfew, CoQ-10 to deal with the headaches. I also take Omega-3 fish oil, Oregano oil, Vitamin D3, Vitamin B complex, Vitamin B12, Vitamin B6 and Vitamin K2 mk4, Vitamin C, Zinc and Fenugreek in the mornings.

    I have dropped taking Forskolin as it was making me feel worse but continue to take Artichoke extract usually at lunch time. I have grow my own broccoli sprouts and have those with my lunch along with kale, spinach and avocado.

    I hope some of the information I provide here will be useful to others who are trying to taper off an ssri.

  2. Although the FDA do not consider that the trial reports of cholecystitis as being Moderna vaccine related, their credibility is waining. [1] However, as COVID-19 can mimic acute cholecystitis, then I consider it a good working hypothesis that the Moderna jab can too. [2] Also, as there were no prodromal symptoms reported, then this suggests a temporal connection with the Moderna shot.

    Haven’t got a clue as to the reliability of the following eHealthMe figures but I’ll give them anyway. [3]
    Time to have Gallbladder disease from when people get Moderna COVID Vaccine:
    • on the same day: 22.22 %
    • in the first week: 50.0 %
    • in the first 30 days: 22.22 %
    • after 30 days: 5.56 %
    Age of people:
    • 0-1: 0.0 %
    • 2-9: 0.0 %
    • 10-19: 0.0 %
    • 20-29: 5.56 %
    • 30-39: 16.67 %
    • 40-49: 16.67 %
    • 50-59: 33.33 %
    • 60+: 27.78 %

    The AZ jab is a different technology from Moderna, so in my opinion from this very brief look, a Serious Adverse Reaction from the Moderna therapy (perhaps alone) has to be seriously considered.

    If it was my gallbladder, would I have it removed?
    Well, I’d do this first as a final differential diagnosis:
    [Now remember, the following is about what I would do and not about what anybody else should do.]
    I would first decline any antibiotic enhanced with Clavulanate – It is too liver toxic for my liking. I stick with pure antibiotics.
    Next, I would want to treat myself immediately as though I have Covid in order to clear both the spike proteins and mitigate the damage which they cause; for with the discomfort spreading, means the mRNA is still producing spike proteins.
    Me being me, I’d sway towards following the Spike Protein Detox Guide [4]. [I do have a list of what I believe to be the best doctor orientated medical treatment protocol sites for covid, which I can post if anyone need them]
    Since the pain is due to inflammation of the gallbladder, I’d want to reduce the Interleukin 6 (IL6) level as a priority! In reducing this I’d expect my pain elsewhere to diminish as well.

    Then I’d check the vaccine batch number [5]
    Report my Serious Adverse Reaction.
    Remind myself (and those around me) of the first signs of complications which would indicate that removal of my gallbladder would be the safer option and get a second opinion from a doctor I trust, as my evaluation my symptoms tend to be subjective.

    Only after doing all these things would I consider having it removed.

    [1] Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee Meeting December 17, 2020 FDA Briefing Document Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine https://www.fda.gov/media/144434/download

    [2]COVID-19 can mimic acute cholecystitis and is associated with the presence of viral RNA in the gallbladder wall

    [3] Moderna COVID Vaccine side effects by duration, gender, age and dose – a phase IV clinical study of CDC and FDA data

    [4] Spike Protein Detox Guide https://worldcouncilforhealth.org/resources/spike-protein-detox-guide/

    [5] How Bad is My Batch
    Batch codes and associated deaths, disabilities and illnesses for Covid 19 Vacc

    • It was late at night when I wrote my last post so here’s a bit more during my lunch break.
      My gripe against clavulanate enhanced antibiotic is that a proscription of AUGMENTIN (Generic Name: amoxicillin clavulanate) left me feeling as though I had gallstones. The pain with each step I took when walking, lasted for many weeks. However, I didn’t get any other physical symptoms nor psychiatric symptoms like mental unrest (as is sometimes the case with antibiotics) to confuse the issue.
      Since the cells that Moderna convert in to spike protein factories can die, and if cells die on mass in an organ like the gallbladder, the debris of these cells could block-up the smaller blood capillaries, causing more cell death and ACE mediated inflammation (maybe even leading to gangrene). Therefore, I would feel happier taking an antibiotic (if I had to) like doxycycline (which is I think part of the UK protocol but only if bacterial pneumonia sets it – so I would leave that decision to my doctor – as long as it didn’t contain clavulanate). The advantage of doxycycline is its many modes of action. It is a protease inhibitor so can deal with ACE-2 in the lungs too, thus aiding better breathing. It is thought that the fastest protease inhibitor which brings relief in hours (if the spike is still replicating) is Ivermectin. In this respect it has some antiviral properties as well. It also modulates IL6. Even in Long Covid and vaccine injury it appears to help some. This suggests that some of the mRNA can hide from the immune system for a long time.

      After about 8 days with a normal covid-19, I might notice deep breathing more difficult which might not be the start of pneumonia but an autoimmune reaction in the lung from the dead cell debris building up faster than can be cleared. As the spike protein generated by Moderna mRNA in lung cells will kill some of those lung cells, white blood cells will be rushing there to mop up and will be releasing histamine. So I’d find out, by taking an anti histamine and stay away from high histamine foods such as citrus.

      Normally I don’t get overly exited by good P values in small medical studies unless the methodology seems sound. Living near a large Asian community I had to take a look at a study with an amazingly good P<0.0001 which has left me impressed. I already have all the ingredients in my kitchen — and so do they.
      Honey and Nigella sativa against COVID-19 in Pakistan (HNS-COVID-PK): A multi-center placebo-controlled randomized clinical trial

      If I started developing intense aches I’d suspect lactic acid build up (I have ME/CFS so I can empathise with this sort of pain) so Ivermectin again, is thought to assist the mitochondria to work more efficiently (it is the cell’s mitochondria that deals with lactic acid).

      I would hope to avoid vomiting and sweating by thinking of an adverse reaction such as this, as any other normally acquired infection (and the Moderna jab is infecting one with active mRNA) and traditionally treat it as fever by only eating a drinking when I feel like it. Modern medicine seems to be slowly catching up. During fever the digestive system slows down (as digestion has an upfront energy cost which the immune system can’t spare) and so the stomach will just send food back. Also, the chemistry of the body changes and it tends to retain water. Too much fluid and some of it comes out as sweat. At this stage, I would also be taking my blood pressure, as the body’s fluid balance involves Vasopressin, which is an antidiuretic hormone and the knock on effect is a decreases in blood pressure. Although grandmother knew best, this still seems a bit controversial. Maybe the confusion arose out of drinking plain water and ending up dangerously dehydrated with hyponatremia. So I’ve searched around for a paper and a plain spoken English explanation on Youtube. It kinda agrees with Grandma:
      Fever: Could A Cardinal Sign of COVID-19 Infection Reduce Mortality? Stephen A Hoption Cann Published: January 09, 2021
      Fever, Fluids, Food in acute infections

      Knowing that lack of nutrition during illness can lead to muscle mass lost and due having to treat myself for ME/CFS, I would take some of the protein and amino acid mixes (used by athletes in training) that I already have on hand (to mix with water and electrolytes), to mitigate muscle loss without over burdening the digestive system. Even then, I would just sip them as I felt the need.

      Very importantly, I would write down everything I took and the time, together with the time for the next dose. For when I’m very ill I find it very hard to think and remember anything.

      Whilst doing all this I would glance at:
      COVID-19 early treatment: real-time analysis of 1,447 studies

      Multifaceted highly targeted sequential multidrug treatment of early ambulatory high-risk SARS-CoV-2 infection (COVID-19)

      I-MASK+ Prevention & Early Outpatient Treatment Protocol for COVID-19

      Zelenko Early Treatment Protocol:

      • Doxycycline –

        The MHRA is now probing the drug’s safety.


        But Professor David Healy, a psychiatrist who was consulted in the Alana Cutland case, first raised concerns about potential harmful effects of doxycycline in 2013, when he was a professor of psychiatry at Bangor University in Wales.

        Now based at McMaster University in Ontario, Canada, Prof Healy says: “I know four or five people personally who have been on doxycycline and felt very anxious as a result. In all cases, the symptoms disappeared as soon as they stopped taking it.

        “In Alana Cutland’s case, it was an extreme effect. Most doctors think doxycycline is benign, but it may simply be the wrong drug for some people. The drug should carry a carefully worded warning to let people know the risks and that they should stop taking it immediately if they experience a mental health problem. It could save lives.”

  3. Hi all,
    I would just like to clear up one or two facts.
    Firstly, this post was written, at David’s request, very soon after Shane came out of hospital. ( I had to record it whilst fresh in our minds!). It refers to the pain as being “controlled by medications” which is no longer true. He had the antibiotics for 7 days after discharge and used strong painkillers at that point. However, since January 8th. he hasn’t used the painkillers.
    He does get an occasional twinge in his back but he feels that this is muscular – he does not connect it to the cholecystitis but, quite naturally, hopes that it does not escalate at any point to the pre-Christmas horrors.
    Shane now has an appointment at the hospital for March 12th. This, as far as he knows, will be a discussion about the need to remove the gallbladder. We can update here at that point if a decision is made.
    The passage also mentions that Shane is “mainly in bed” – that is no longer as true but the exhaustion, which has ruled his life throughout withdrawal and beyond, continues to be a problem. The difference now seems to be that it only affects physically whereas previously it affected mentally as well as physically.

    One good to come out of all of this is that Shane has completely changed his diet. He was asked to follow a low fat diet for the time being. Shane hasn’t ever been one who eats fat but was very fond of snacks of all sorts. The snacks are gone and he now prepares fresh main meals or reheats ‘home cooked and frozen’ meals. He is quite pleased with his new appearance and now sees that sugar was far more of an enemy than ‘fat’.
    From the update you will glean that Shane is now, thankfully, in a far better place than described in the post above.
    (One last point of interest – this was Shane’s first encounter as an inpatient with a PHYSICAL ailment, having, unfortunately, had a good few inpatient spells with MENTAL issues. The differences in the way that he was treated this time – every word of his believed, absolutely every test etc. explained to him, the respect shown to him and the understanding of his level of pain were in stark contrast to the treatment in the MH Unit. Same hospital but worlds apart in the ‘human touch’ shown to patients. We need “levelling up” in so many ways here in the UK!

    • So glad your son Shane is recovering.
      Lets hope the inflammation of the gallbladder fades, never to come back, then there’s no point in having a medical procedure thats not needed. The cell renewal I believe is normally low in this organ so it might take some time to be sure everything’s OK again. With the NHS waiting lists so long, the consultant may take the same view that it would do no harm to wait and see.

      Scanning though the main medical journals these last two years, it is as if the whole medical community have suddenly contracted amnesia regarding the importance of early treatment for both viral infections and Serious Adverse Reactions to reduce the likely hood of these types of preventable complications. Those in the profession that do try to spread the word get censored and persecuted. What little is allowed to be talked about in the journals strikes me as just a pseudo debate, kept under control by big Pharma.

      Hopefully, Shane’s state of constant exhaustion will also fade away soon. Doctors are finding more similarities than differences between long haul covid, long haul vaccination reactions and ME/CFS. Therefore, the same treatment protocols appear help all three. As there still remain variations in peoples responses, treatment requires testing out different combinations of drugs and supplements to find the best mix.

      For those that wish to explore treatments:

      [Cumin is cheaper to buy as ordinary culinary Turmeric. Nigella Sativa powder and whole seed can be bought from most Asian food stores. They commonly refer to it as ‘Black Seed.’ Great also for sprinkling over salads etc.]

      Frequently Asked Questions on Ivermectin

      Spike Protein Detox Guide

      The exhaustion appears to be the result of the mitochondria being knocked out of kilter. Although the next two papers are about rare inborn errors of mitochondrial metabolism, the support treatment for them helps long Covid and ME/CFS exhaustion. I decided on choosing these two, as the explanations given in the papers also provide a rational as to why they are worth trying. Otherwise, doctors tend to roll their eyes at any anything they weren’t taught in med school.

      The Spectrum of Mitochondrial Disease. (Page 9 for suggested support treatments).
      [The Acetlyl L Carnitine form seems more effective than the plain L Carnitine]

      Mitochondrial Cytopathies: A Primer. (Page 15 for suggested support treatments).

      The protocols all recommend prednisone, as it proven to be so effective but its not without some risk. I suspect a British GP may be reluctant to prescribe it for a complaint that just by coincidence came on the after the receipt of a safe and effective vaccine.
      See: Side-effects, further information

      • Thanks for all the suggestions given to help Shane to recover – your thoughts are much appreciated.
        A problem here is that Shane is extremely sensitive to any sort of medication or supplement. He is now eating a varied diet, keeping well away from extra sugar in hidden forms and fizzy drinks. His sleep pattern is good over all. Exhaustion has been a massive problem for him since he started reducing his psychotropic drugs. He used to be completely wiped out – mentally as well as physically but now it is mainly physical.
        We shall hope for better as the weather improves!

  4. My father received a dose of Moderna vaccine on 7/7/2021. He had extreme abdominal pain on 7/13 and had a gallstone removed on 7/14. He fainted and fell at home for no obvious reason that same month but was able to regain conscious shortly on his own. In the last few months, he had a few prolonged sleep episodes. He would sleep for several days without eating much food, and he has since lost about 15 pounds. Last week, he has a routine health check and some blood work done, but the doctor did not find anything alarming. I am all ears if you would be so kind to share some insights.

  5. It may well be appropriate to add here that Shane did have his appointment to discuss gallbladder removal. There was really no decision to be made as he had been completely free of any signs of pain since the facts recorded above. He is to be seen again just to make sure! Sure, of what I wonder? Sure, that the gallbladder does not need to be removed …….or sure that Shane asks no more awkward questions about Moderna’s role in his suffering? He asked a few questions at that appointment and was told that replies (apart from the determined “NO” to the Moderna connection suggestion!) would be sent in writing. He is still waiting for any communication about his questions and the further appointment!

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