Post-Finasteride Syndrome & Amino Acids

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October 8, 2018 | 12 Comments

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  1. Yes, this amino acid effect is indeed interesting. Over the months I have mentioned several times how taking UltraClear Sustain, made by NUTRI, helped our son fight back from the brain fog and pain he experienced ever since taking RoAcctuane/isotretinoin and later Seroxat SSRIs and antipsychotics. I firmly maintain that the periods of improvement he experienced across the 11 years he survived, were due to this.

    The amino acids listed in it are:
    L-Glutamine, L-Glutathione, L-Cysteine, L-Lysine, L-Threonine, N-Acetyl-Cysteine.
    Also Oligofructose-Enriched inulin. There is also a comprehensive mix of balanced bits and mins in rice flour, and a mixture free from any allergens. I am absolutely convinced that it kept our son alive at times, that it ameliorated the terrible side effects of steroids for me, and that it has helped many other people. For a list of all ingredients, scroll back through Olly’s Friendship Foundation Facebook page where I posted a picture of the pot earlier in the year, suggesting its use in the search for cures under the RxISK prize. It would be interesting to know if anyone tried it, and if so, whether they noticed any improvements.

    Unfortunately our son died after becoming too muddled in his head from Sertraline and Olanzapine, to keep taking it. A very unenlightened psychiatrist broke his spirit and berated us, his parents, for looking after his physical well-being with vitamins and minerals etc. UltaCleat Sustain, which Lines the leaky gut, had also greatly assisted his fight against acne. Without it, and deluged with Olanzapine, the acne came back.

    I think this work on amino acids offers great hope. They certainly worked for me and for my son.

    The problem in the end, for him

  2. Sorry, comment flew away before I finished…
    ‘the problem in the end’ for our son Olly was the drugs crossing the blood brain barrier I think. The UltraClear SUSTAIN protected his diagnosed leaky gut, (diagnosed from aged 10) so the healing element nutrients he needed, reached the parts of him the vitamins, minerals and enzymes needed to reach. The amino acids were, I truly believe, key in his recovery. We can see from observations made by a therapist he saw in London about his acne in 2010, that his skin and mood and physique had never been better. He was taking UltraClear religiously that year. He felt well, got busy, but got complacent and sadly began to let it slide. He didn’t re-start it till July 2012 and it could still have saved him, but the psychiatrist he then saw, (only twice and with no knowledge of his history) after battling with unsought stresses of work in May and June, rubbished any efficacy it might have had.
    His problem in the end….was that he trusted the doctor of minds.

    You can order UltraClear SUSTAIN mail order from NUTRI. Taken as instructed, with plenty of water and well mixed with an electric Whizzer, and sipped immediately, you can come to quite like the taste and the feeling of gut wellbeing it brings. Maybe it can really help, as it did Olly and does me.

  3. There are so many potential clues in here! Whether this man’s cure works out for others or not. One of the best things is that it gives a great deal of information about the nature of Post-Finasteride Syndrome, that I was not aware of.

    Is it commonly associated with muscle wasting or atrophy? Is it common for affected men to exercise and eat a muscle-building diet to absolutely no avail? Does it often cause gynecomastia (female-type breasts on a male)? And do testosterone supplements actually make the symptoms worse?

    Another important question: Do people with PSSD linked to anti-depressants share any of these symptoms? (For instance, I recall many of them saying they had their testosterone levels tested and found out they were “normal.” Do some take Low-T treatments anyway? And do they simply not work, or do things get worse?) If people with SSRI-linked problems also have these symptoms, that’s big news I don’t recall hearing before. If not, we could be dealing with two different problems that just happen to have similar symptoms of sexual dysfunction and genital numbness. That would be vital to know as well.

    One last question: I have usually heard amino acids sorted into two groups: non-essential ones that the human body can synthesize for itself, and essential amino acids that we must get directly from our food (or supplements I guess). Several of the essential amino acids have been studied and/or promoted as treatments for depression — tryptophan and methionine especially. Of the 8 amino acids named by this man, 4 are “essential” and 4 are “non-essential.” Does the distinction mean anything to anyone who knows more about this? Is it possible that finasteride interferes with the body’s ability to synthesize the “non-essential” ones?

    • J

      There may be differences but I think descriptions of PFS, PRSD and PSSD are also colored by where people are coming from and what they think has gone wrong. This is where the common features are important. What’s reported here is very typical for PFS. The genital numbness is not prominent. Will check with the author

      D

    • Yes it’s suspected among a lot of us that they are indeed the same condition, Accutane syndrome, PSSD, PFS etc have many if not all symthoms in common. I myself haven’t used finasteride but multiple anti depressants from a young age and then accutane, my glans have been numb to pleasure for the past 4 years or maybe even longer but all I know is as a 20 year old man, I’ve never enjoyed sex.
      After stopping accutane everything went ok in regards to my penis for a week or so, my penis was amazing for the first time in 4 years since I took sertaline and then everything crashed, my skin body wide became numb to pain and touch along with my lips, my penis became completely numb, loss of smell, tinnitus and my eyes became blurry with visual snow, floaters, light sensitivity, reduced peripheral vision or an inability to process it. My skin heals very slowly and became elastic or stretchy body wide, thinner and bruises very easily now, I have pictures over on procpecia help of me stretching my skin around which happened while on accutane.

      I believe there is an underlying epigenetic change, whatever predisposition we all have to this disease is causing us very similar issues, I’ve talked to enough people using these different drugs to see similarities in symthoms, I have been hit to the extreme end but I’m a lot more positive now as I have a better understanding of things than I did when all this happened a year ago.
      Everyone has been so kind to me which I’m extremely grateful for.
      Whatever switch has been flipped it seems like our body’s aren’t using our hormones correctly, the hormones seem fine to doctors maybe a little high or low in some, but the receptors that actually utilize them, androgen receptors seem to be over expressed, that’s the theory so far and research is being done hoping to find the molecular cause of finasteride syndrome, if we find that, hopefully all these conditions are the same and then we got a global disease on our hands, yes androgens affect females too, I’ve read enough women talking about dryness and clitoral numbness, just like my glans are numb, this disease doesn’t discriminate among gender, its equally devistating and I just want my body back, sexual issues are the least of my worries as my eyes and skin are even worse off, but regardless how bad things seem, keeping the head right is essential in all this and I won’t give up fighting until I’m better, till all of us are better. Keep well everyone ❤️

      • Yes, you’ve hit the nail on the head, in our opinion. It’s the hormones that drive this, whether it’s PRSD, PSSD, whatever. For me, after taking the contraceptive Pill, the reaction was almost immediate and took 9 months to come back to normal after stopping having only taken 3 tablets over as many days. The same thing happened after Prednisolone steroid course of 11 days. I used to get quite severe PMS. I am what you might describe as a sensitive ‘feeling’ person. In our group of parents who lost youngsters on Accutane, some additionally made ill by SSRIs and antipsychotics, several had Aspergers and all, without exception, were highly intelligent deep feeling young people, campaigners for good causes, concerned with the welfare of others etc. High achievers, but at the same time, more concerned about the state of the world than raw ambition. Several were LGBT. They could also, like all those who write on these Blogs, express their symptoms well. Does that indicate that their hormones, like mine, were very finely ‘tuned’ so epigentically, those hormones were totally messed up as chemical messengers in the body by an inability to synthesise these drugs? In comparison, several people I have met who took Accutane, suffered symptoms, but got through alive to tell the tale, seemed to me to have been ‘harder’ characters, several were bankers, solicitors, journalists, sales people. I know this will seem unscientific, but it’s an impression that I cannot ignore. I have always felt that hormonal balancing is the key to understanding this phenomena.

        • Dr Healey,
          It is their issue, i’m in touch with few of them and it is very similar to what i have.
          It seems that Saw Palmetto extract causes the same syndrome.
          I found on old forums posts where Benadryl (antyhistamines that were ssri protoplasts if i’ m correct) caused the same syndrome.
          It s difficult to estimate (PFS and PSSD are diffrent in severity from person to person) but PFS causes stronger impact on body composition and penis curvature is what makes it diffrent from PSSD
          Genital numbnes, emotional numbnes, anhedonia, brain fog, teeth demineralisation, lack of sensivity in skin, skin changes, watery semen, brain fog, preasure in head(hard to describe sth like stone in head), oversensivity for sounds and light, facial change, weaknes, soft glans syndrome, prominent vains on genitals are described in both cases.
          Interesting is how it starts (crash), its kind of shivering during the night sth like artifitial fear mixed with cold fallowed by terrible depression. Libido is lost usualy sooner along with soft glans syndrome.
          Crash happens few weeks after drug therapy is finished.
          That scenario is not always the case but happens in PSSD and PFS
          Brain zaps are unique for suffers after SSRI therapy.
          Many users had no problem after first course finasteride or ssri but after second round

    • Hi Ben – just had a look at the ones you mention – they can have pretty serious side effects according to web sites Do you know how to trial them as safely as possible?

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