Several of the many people who write or track RxISK posts, have had input to this one, which dovetails with Harriet Vogt’s post last week Repairing Ruptures in Clinical Care and the work of Shane Cooke and Mary Hennessey in getting health systems to listen to the voices of those harmed by treatment.
The post, maybe, casts an ominous light on our abilities to get medicine to help us live the lives we want to live. It, perhaps, suggests it is increasingly likely we will have our life dictated to by what was once, but no longer is, medicine.
Has something chucked a professional medicine out of the health services nest? If so, what creature has done this and is there anything we can do about it?
App-Ointments
The first stone in the avalanche described here was this link to Flynn Pharma, discovered by Peter Selley. For a while there have been links or pop-ups in medical records telling the doctor or clinic that your cholesterol level has not been checked. But Flynn’s link takes this to another level.
The Flynn App plugged into the Electronic Medical Record (EMR) your family doctor holds on you, scours your details for hints you might have ADHD. It drafts a referral letter to a partialist – Flynn calls a specialist – adding in all sorts of cardiac and other details a partialist should want to know about prior to putting you on some medicine but never bothers to collect himself. See Generalists and Partialists for more on this distinction, coined by Dee Mangin.
The Flynn advert has the partialist cooing at the beauty of the referral – much better than the usual referral we get. No hint either the family doc or the partialist realize they are being cuckoo-ed – or should that be cuckolded? No hint what this might mean for you.
The ADHD Referral Toolkit can be accessed here thanks to Yoko Motohama another RxISK contributor.
An appropriately digitally generated ADHD Referral Transcript is here – thanks to Patrick Hahn yet another RxISK contributor, whose ADHD book features below.
The Flynn package comes with Teaching Toolkits to teach parents and children about ADHD – and other goodies.
App-ropriate?
The Heads They Win Tails We Lose post on DH – also called Tangled up in Bureaucracy – this week outlines developments in ‘medicine’ that have serious, potentially lethal, consequences for both those of us taking medicines and for what remains of medical professionalism.
When we go to a doctor we no longer meet a professional who will look at and listen closely to us with a goal of coming to a consensus with us about the problem or issues we are bringing him or her – as would be appropriate for a professional. We meet someone who, in recent decades, whether a generalist or partialist, has been shape-shifting before our eyes into a bureaucrat, inappropriately masquerading as a professional.
- Someone who views Drug Labels and Guidelines as Evident Based Medicine.
- Someone increasingly likely to threaten to throw us off their list if a blood test comes back with a high cholesterol level and we refuse to take a statin or some other ‘preventive’ treatment.
- Someone who will mark us down as a refuser if we refuse a blood sugar lowering drug or a vaccine, who pays no heed to the consequences for our insurance premiums of making these entries into our medical records. Does our mean anything any more?
- Someone who steps back and lets regulators (other bureaucrats) decide what we should know about the treatments s/he puts us on.
- Someone who is becoming vanishingly unlikely to let us leave the clinic without putting us on more chemicals. I use ‘chemical’ here rather than a medicine as a medicine is a chemical that comes with genuine information aimed at making the use of that chemical as safe as possible for us – not safe for some company.
- Someone who as Heads They Win points out – another gem from another RxISK contributor – is increasingly likely to be playing word-games. We get diagnosed with diabetes or cholesterolemia, osteopenia, depression or whatever but the entry in our record says ‘patient thinks he has treatment-induced this or that’.
- Someone who is ever less likely to know that even if we do have a real diabetes or epilepsy these can often be managed without medicines. Unlikely to know we are at greater risk of ending up in hospital from the treatment s/he gives us for diabetes, hypertension or osteopenia than from the condition we supposedly have – often even when it has left untreated.
- Someone who is the face of a force that is appropriating us – making us theirs.
All of this is set to get a lot worse. Family doctors will be reluctant not to endorse a referral that an ‘expert’ App recommends. They can rationalize this as leaving it to the partialist to decide if their patient has the condition or not and should be put on a controlled chemical or not. The referral might even happen without the generalist knowing – these things can be delegated to a practice manager.
ADHD-ology
The ADHD-ologist is unlikely to view the person referred, whether 2 or 82 years old, as not having ADHD.
Things can get seriously crazy pretty fast. You might have started on an SSRI, to which you reacted poorly. Rather than stopping the SSRI, some doc will have decided this means you have bipolar disorder, and you will be given one or more anticonvulsants. If this doesn’t sort things out an antipsychotic will be added. At the next clinic appointment, if you mention not focusing quite as well (which is how antipsychotics work) instead of telling you this you will be given an ADHD rating scale and ticking the poor focus boxes your EMR will generate an ADHD referral.
Rather than stop the antipsychotic or undo a prescribing cascade, a stimulant will be added to the mix which pulls the opposite way on the dopamine system to the antipsychotic.
It’s as though your doc had asked you to step on a weighing scales and putting a 10lb weight in each of your hands, diagnoses you as being 20 lbs overweight and suggests Ozempic.
The word games will then start.
An ADHD diagnosis will enter your record. If you have problems on the treatment and you (or your mother for youngsters) stops it, the entry will be ‘thinks’ the medicine is causing a problem. A further entry will be refused treatment. Your insurer or whoever will take note that a treatment for a condition that company propaganda claims increases your risk of suicide, gambling, divorce, career failure etc, has been refused. Your premiums will rise.
It may surprise you but old-style good doctors were good at fudging your medical record even outright lying to avoid compromising you with details like these. Now in the unlikely event a doctor figures you might have diabetes and offers you an option to try diet, weight loss and getting fit and if doing this the ‘diabetes’ disappears, and s/he tries to remove diabetes from your record, the computer will prevent this happening. It is programmed to ‘believe’ diabetes can’t be cured.
Beyond Ruptured
Therapeutic relationships are heading beyond Ruptured. The chances of you getting Care rather than commodities are vanishing. You are increasingly likely to be viewed as a commodity yourself.
On a follow the money basis, the sell you the diagnoses that will land you on chemicals will appeal to the makers of Apps and EMRs. The hint of money to be paid will mobilize those with any abilities to create an App, along with those with abilities to sell an App. The EMR companies can sit back and squeeze the best deal for them out of the situation – consulting perhaps with the drug and other companies who also stand to gain.
On a follow the money basis, the Apps and EMRs that sell you diagnoses and ‘preventive’ meds including vaccines for ‘vaccine preventable diseases’ will appeal to governments, who swallow the line that this is the only way to contain escalating healthcare costs. See The Descent of Man.
Heads They Win, Tails We Lose – both government and markets view you greedily. What are we up against? Is there a way to put things right?
The Parable of TaperMD
A decade ago, the failure of efforts to get people to use RxISK reports to level the conversational playing field with their doctors about problems on treatment that might kill them, revealed a strange new world. Most of us, it seems, are petrified to talk about these things to doctors who are supposed to be there for us – Repairing Ruptures in Clinical Care.
It’s unfortunate and stigmatizing in this world to be a woman, or old or have the wrong skin color but it’s even more stigmatizing to have a condition. We tell ourselves we have got over ideas that an illness like epilepsy means either we or our parents have sinned and epilepsy is punishment. But the relief people show when you mention you have a condition from epilepsy or AIDS to nervous problems and imply you are on treatment shows the stigma is still there. It rises in all its grisly horror if you say you aren’t on treatment – Dos Centavos.
Our sacraments (chemicals) pick out the saved from the damned. They are the modern day equivalent of holding women under water to see if they are witches. A poor response means you are not one of us. You are going your way rather than our way.
The original RxISK team were united in a vision that saw people harmed by medicines as mostly correct in their view about what had happened to them and not just that but as people who hold the keys to scientific breakthroughs. Some of the team had family members killed by medicines – so you’d imagine they’d be unlikely to compromise with a system they thought had killed a loved one.
Dee Mangin came up with a way around the dilemmas that our early experience with adverse event reporting posed.
Rather than confront your doctor with an adverse event, rather than cast doubt on the sacraments, let’s see if we can give you more treatments that work rather than take treatments away. The path to helping you lay in reducing medication burdens – from 10 or 20 drugs down to 3 or 5. You are much more likely to get 3 or 5 benefits this way than from a cocktail of often irrelevant drugs which do little other than sabotage other drugs in the mix. Let’s see if between us we can get you more of what you want rather than take things away from you.
This led Dee to research your needs through focus groups with people like you and to embody your views in a platform – TaperMD – Team Approach to Polypharmacy Evaluation and Reduction. Taper in this setting means reducing medication burdens, rather than tapering off an antidepressant.
See Saving Judy
At it’s heart TaperMD has to have some algorithmic elements. It aims at presenting you and your doctor with a dashboard listing the meds you are on and some of the common risks linked to these. Judy is worried about falls and of the 8 or more meds she is on 4 are linked to falls. Seeing this on a dashboard shows her and perhaps her daughter along with the pharmacist or doctor the 4 that might be putting her at risk.
Seeing this opens the door to a conversation. Perhaps we should Pause one of these 4 and Monitor what happens. The conversation is key to transforming chemicals into medicines – something that might help us live the lives we want to live. The algorithm in the Taper case was designed to enable conversations – it cannot be let decide what happens next.
Has Judy ended up on 4 blood pressure meds because the first 3 didn’t work while the fourth did but the first 3 all got left in place when they could have been removed? Is she on drugs to lower blood pressure because some other drug is causing it to rise? Are there ways other than meds to get her blood pressure to a good enough level? Healthy blood pressure is able to fluctuate and maintaining variability is healthier than keeping blood pressure rigidly to some ‘right’ level. There is no right level.
The ideas and the work that went into shaping Taper were inspired by Dee’s vision of medicine as something that can help us live the lives we want to live.
Algorithms are scalable and can be incorporated into an EMR. Conversations are not scalable. They are Once is Nothing (einmal ist keinmal) moments – part of The Unbearable Lightness of Being.
Doctors working for organizations are increasingly unlikely to see Taper if it doesn’t turn up on their EMR. If any people who manage doctors or others in healthcare do get to see the conversations, they don’t have a metric that let’s them appreciate that the conversations are worth their weight in gold. This element of human interactions cannot be metriced. Are there consequences for the vision, if the algorithm gets embedded into an EMR?
Taper began when polypharmacy was an older person’s problem. The easiest place to run trials was in residential homes where people were most likely to be on more meds than they needed. Many of these homes are businesses where time is of the essence, staff regularly turn over and are slaves to the tick-box engine component of patient EMRs. All of this militates against conversations of the kind that are needed.
An algorithm embeddable in an EMR makes an App like TaperMD attractive to big players – like the companies who make EMRs? These companies likely get a kickback from embedding Apps like the Flynn App that lead to increased drug sales in their EMR – is there any incentive for them to embed TaperMD, which reduces drug burdens?
Dee’s compelling vision and magnetic presentation style brought Taper onto the radar for some of the Big Guys. The smell of money entered the room and led to a crisis within RxISK leading to an attempted coup by our ‘business’ side, who seemed to think it was time for the Adults to take over the Room. It was like an intense episode of Succession.
There are a lot of ways the crisis can be framed.
- Let’s run with the Big Guys, at least temporarily, because it is in the interests of anyone who buys into the Vision to ensure TaperMD becomes self-sustainable. But we need brakes because things could go badly wrong and Taper in the wrong hands could harm people. My reading of Dee’s position. My position.
- Let’s do it because an algorithm is an algorithm. The dashboard is obviously a good thing, we can’t see how it could be harmful. One of my readings of the apparent position of some of the others linked to Taper, who viewed some nice sounding doctor talk as academic mumbo jumbo rather than real world thinking.
- (This is the pharma position – selling drugs on the basis of algorithmic elements that suggest on average there will be a benefit. It is the Protestant Ethic writ large – God rewards those who do ‘good’ things. We do well by doing good. The fact that God does this through the market is not a problem for those who feel God is on their side).
- Let’s do it because we could get wealthy. One of the possible readings of the real position of some of those linked to Taper. Perhaps the real pharma position also.
- Let’s do it – a very different option is laid out near the end of this post
In the last two years it has become clearer that Deprescribing, another word for Reducing Medication Burdens, can be inappropriate – could be very in-App-ropiate if left to an App. See Deprescribing – Where does Responsibility Lie? Potentially Inappropriate Deprescribing.
The Taper crisis led to a divorce and efforts on the part of some in what was the RxISK team to try to sabotage RxISK, Data Based Medicine and Samizdat. It has taken a lot of work to save them.
Parables and Reality
Similar issues play out on another Taper front – this time efforts to save the multitude whose sanity is compromised by, and lives are put at risk from, dependence on psych meds. The meds that Pharma and Regulators and an increasing proportion of doctors view as a good thing, and apparently find difficult to envisage harming anyone, never mind harming more people than they help.
We wouldn’t intentionally harm a fly. How dare you suggest that we might view injuries to the occasional grandmother as the cost of doing business?
Those trapped by chemicals in what can be a living hell are now caught between a bunch of neuroplasticitioners who have seized on a bit of biobabble ‘neuroplasticity’ to promote a Mind-over-Matter ‘psychotherapy’. Deep inside the mumbo jumbo are some simple elements that make sense – see Interoception or Neuroplasticity.
See also Madness, Normality and Antidepressant Dysregulation.
But when these simple things, which you can do for yourself for free, don’t work you end up in a doom loop. You get told this is because you have not adequately dealt with some prior trauma maybe even a past life trauma.
On the other side you face a simple hyperbolic tapering algorithm also based on biobabble but one that can be incorporated into EMRs and sold in packages. It is a soundbite that is scalable uppable, which is the basis for a business model, unlike Peter Groot’s Tapering Strips. Peter’s Strips have evidence they work but he has run into bureaucratic difficulties in getting reimbursed, as, all too-believably, bureaucrats find it hard to support the idea that you might need 9mg, 8mg, 7mg, 6 mg etc doses – none of which were specifically tested in trials and are licensed.
On yet another side there are private clinics gearing up to sell you fashionable treatments like NAD+ infusions. Clinics like these will be licking their lips at the psychotropic drug dependence crisis. They are likely to offer fly-by-night risky treatments, which have not been tested in trials, to which in stark contrast to Peter’s experience governments and others will turn a blind eye. Private consumers get to do what they want – public consumers don’t.
All parties aim at making money. This not completely unreasonable in the case of something that works. Something that genuinely works needs to be self-sustainable and this is not an easy ask when you are trying as TaperMD was trying – to reduce the number of meds people are on.
Tapering antidepressants and related drugs is very different to TaperMD. Pharma companies are highly likely to love Hyperbolic Tapering Apps or the hyperbolic message generally for two reasons. One is it provides evidence there is no real problem with our drugs that a little tapering can’t solve. The other is that they want to get rid of SSRIs from which they now make no money at all.
A People’s Movement?
Maybe TaperMD should be a people’s movement. That was one of the options when it began, not one that the business side of Data Based Medicine bought into.
One of the visions was that the daughters of women or men on too many meds or in residential homes (Tiger Daughters) could use TaperMD to generate an opening for conversations with pharmacists and doctors aimed at reducing their parents medication burdens. This would reduce the risks of a parent going into hospital after predictable drug induced hazards, it would enhance their quality of life and above all it would reduce the risks of them dying prematurely.
Older women show signs of realizing they should get off some of the meds they are on. They are perhaps increasingly likely to use something like TaperMD if it was a free-standing App that could be accessed for a small fee perhaps. They might then mobilize their daughters for support.
Looking at this scenario, retrospectively, some purists might say it’s obvious we should have gone down this route to begin with. It’s certainly appealing but not obvious. Getting something great out there that is never used isn’t much good to anyone. Getting something into an EMR so it pops up on your doctors screen when you are with him is more likely to get it used and get things happening and maybe lead to a change in mindset.
In the past year or two it has become clear that polypharmacy, which until recently was an older person’s problem, is increasingly a Generation Rx problem. TaperMD, created by a woman, looks more like a must have for the women sitting at the Tiger Daughter – Tiger Mom interface – maybe even for Gen Rxers themselves.
Does a message like this apply to the other initiatives mentioned in this post? Enthusiasms built on attractive soundbites can attract a lot of people for a period of time – enough perhaps for some people to make a lot of money. Only something that comes with clear evidence that it works, which TaperMD has, can support an enduring People’s Movement, and in our current increasingly precarious situation this, rather than gimmicks, is what is needed.
There are barriers in the way as this post hopefully brings home and the next post on RxISK will add to – probably called something like Removing Obstacles to Tapering.
Borrowing from Hamlet, the effect that money can have on many of us who might otherwise have great things to offer others is a dram of eale, the stamp of a tragic defect:
Carrying, I say, the stamp of one defect,
Being nature’s livery, or fortune’s star—
Their virtues else—be they as pure as grace,
As infinite as man may undergo—
Shall in the general censure take corruption
From that particular fault. The dram of eale
Doth all the noble substance often doubt
To his own scandal.
David T Healy says
Buried deep in the 80 comments on the last post, Paul asked; Sorry if this has already been answered but does the Rxisk Map (of good practioners) exist and if so, where can I find it please? This was too pertinent to the current post to leave it buried
Response:
We had a RxISK Map from very early on but it didn’t get used. We pushed this idea again in 2017 –
see https://rxisk.org/rxisk-map-relationship-based-medicine/
We even had a paid plug-in which showed a world map and let you Zoom in to your area but it didn’t get used. We have now disabled it as it cost too much money.
We have a list of doctors open to getting PSSD referrals – a PSSD map – see RxISK Toolbar. But this just takes your suggestions of doctor’s names where the RxISK Map asked for proof – getting a doctor to fill their bit of your RxISK report form. This would prove they were on your side.
Either you and everyone else is too scared to ask doctors to do this or doctors are just not willing to do it – perhaps they are too scared. But we didn’t get any Doctors ending up on the Map when this was the eye of the needle through which they had to pass to get there..
I will be interested in comments from anyone reading this – but not cheap comments – they need to engage seriously. Especially interested after the post next week where these same issues come to a head in a very different setting
DH.
Harriet Vogt says
As always, the answer to this question depends on what you/Rxisk are trying to achieve? What’s the objective?
Your original Rxisk map and form for docs to complete – seemed a bit like a religious commitment. Ime few doctors like committing themselves – in writing – especially to the recognition of harms.
If the objective in this case – as I envisaged it – is for patients to celebrate doctors who have listened, cared and supported them through withdrawal, then I think the PSSD ‘Doctors and Specialists’ model works well. As you’ve done there – patients need to tell/ask their doctors to agree to being added to a public list of those who know what they’re doing and can help other patients.
I can’t see what advantage there would be in making this task harder. But that may be my ‘get it done’ mentality weakness.
What is most noticeable about orgs working in this type of space is how very short the lists of recommended, informed docs always are..
Dr. David Healy says
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No the object was not to celebrate doctors. Going back to the original RxISK report – getting it filled by you only is valid. Answering the cause and effect questions can help you get a feel for the strength of your observation and perhaps strengthen you to raise it with your doctor.
But the cause and effect questions are an algorithm and once the situation becomes complex they break down and the score may end up being neither a valid appraisal of the situation nor helpful to you.
The most solid weapon is having your doctor and you both agree that there is no easy way to explain this other than the drug has done it. Once you have both of the parties closest to the event on the same page – regulators don’t have a leg to stand on. The idea was to get your report and your doctors report on you sent to your regulator.
En passant if the doctor filled up one of these reports it would demonstrate that s/he was solid beyond the average doc. And that is also worth recognizing. Its not good enough to put docs names on the map just because you like them. If we are going to Quality Mark someone there has to be a test of some sort
David
Harriet Vogt says
D
Crossed wires – perhaps – a bit.
I understood the rigorous intent behind the original Rxisk report. Far from mere ‘celebration’.
I’m still not really clear why it didn’t work as intended – however invaluable as a source of patient harms – and insights.
My suspicion, based on Shane and Mary’s group – and many prescribedharm friends on social media- is that the main obstacle might have been as much patients dumping their docs, cut and run – as fear of being dumped.
You’re right – the softer suggestion is a sort of quality mark. And agree – it needs to stand for more than a warm bath of positive feeling. Though that’s not a bad start.
Perhaps the person-patient could write a brief reference for their deserving doc?
Perhaps we could adapt the criteria developed for https://rxisk.org/challenging-my-doctor-to-disclose – essentials of relationship medicine, as a reference writing prompt (not boxes to tick)? A very rough distilled version:
Nobody knows better than I do what effects a drug is having on me.
My doc shares my perspective and listens carefully – they don’t try and overpower me with guidelines or RCT marketing gibberish
We are working through my medication induced problems as a team, collaboratively.
My doc is real world, not a ‘safe and effective’ pusher – they know even common drugs like antidepressants can be toxic.
They know the best way to manage toxic reactions is to get me off the drug safely. Not double the dose, add more drugs, declare me ‘mad’ or diagnose me with FND (whatever that is).
They don’t tell me not to listen to Dr Google or the experiences of other harmed patients on social media. We’re both open to learning.
My doc shares my medical records with me.
‘Starter for 10’ – no idea where that saying originated.
H
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Patrick D Hahn says
David:
I am curious to get your opinion on this. Do you think there is such a thing as bipolar disorder that is NOT drug-induced?
Dr. David Healy says
Patrick
Manic-depressive illness is a real thing but relatively rare and not drug induced. Once we moved on to bipolar disorder with bipolar 1, 2, 3, 4. 5, and 6, psychiatry lost the plot. There are other genuine bipolar states – catatonia comes in over-active and under-active forms with oscillations between the two.
Quite aside from what get’s called bipolar these days which is very often a rebranding of adverse events, there are complex states where drugs like lamotrigine seem to entrain the menstrual cycle to cause states that vary that look like good evidence for the lamotrigine prescription in the first place – but where the treatment should be stopping lamotrigine – not an easy thing to do.
Then there are cycloid psychoses – these are linked to catatonic states. I’ve tried to cover this in Mania – a history of bipolar disorder. These are real but rare staes.
D
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Dr. David Healy says
This link is to quite a creepy video. Well worth watching
D
Harriet Vogt says
No question medicine is being automated.
Showing signs of becoming a highly fragmented patient-person production line, never again a holistic relational interaction. I suspect even the generalists are fast becoming partialists – certainly inevitable in the UK where most GPs operate a one condition per appointment regime.
The system is increasingly swamped with electronic decision tools, plenty of keen sponsors no doubt – which are SUPPOSED to support ‘shared decision- making’…
A couple of robotic classics:
‘Medicines Management at Keele has long recognised the practical challenges that face healthcare professionals in the implementation of evidence-based, and national guidance-based prescribing. To a degree, NICE and departments such as our own, save the individual practitioner from having to trawl through trial data for evidence of clinical and cost-effectiveness.
https://www.keele.ac.uk/med-optimise/prescribingdecisionsupport/
‘Following roll out across 14 PCNs (ten in South West London and North West London and four in Mid and South Essex), baseline data shows the tool is successfully identifying large numbers of people at risk of CVD and in need of treatment optimisation.’
https://thehealthinnovationnetwork.co.uk/case_studies/9029/
It’s disturbing enough that good doctors tend to absorb commercially corrupted guidance without critical thought. How much extra credence will be given by doctors and patients to the output of what some perceive as a superior intelligence – AI?
One possibility– and maybe – who knows – you’re bound to have thought of it – tried it – decided against– an appropriate opportunity for Dee’s TaperMD? Certainly in the UK – the health economics of polypharmacy is high on the NHS agenda to the point when it’s a national medicines’ optimisation ‘opportunity’
https://www.england.nhs.uk/long-read/national-medicines-optimisation-opportunities-2023-24/#1-addressing-problematic-polypharmacy
Just looking at care homes, apparently £50m worth of NHS medicines are dumped by them every year – representing 17% of the total annual rx medicine wastage in England.
https://www.nhsbsa.nhs.uk/sites/default/files/2017-05/pharmaceutical-waste-reduction-care-homes.pdf
Clinical pharmacists, the most serious minded and knowledgeable about medication in my EXTREMELY LIMITED experience are drafted in to do SMR (structured medication reviews). Presumably other countries with national health systems are on the same page?
In theory, TaperMD would be a perfect fit. Distribution could be limited and highly controlled.
Obviously I’ve no idea how much uptake it’s had – but it seems a shame to have developed something so patient-centric and, actually, commonsensible, and not widen the scope of it use.
It’s a sort of – if you can’t join them, beat them moment.
susanne says
Pulse Today Home News Technology GP record data will be used for major conditions research in platform expansion
21 February 2025
NHS England has approved the expansion of a ‘secure’ data sharing platform, meaning that GP record data will be used for academic research related to non-Covid and major conditions.
OpenSAFELY, developed by the University of Oxford,
NHS England signalled in 2023 that it would allow expansion of the platform to other types of research beyond Covid-19, with support from both the BMA and the RCGP.
Now the commissioner has confirmed that it has shared draft documents with GP IT representatives which ‘extend the legal basis’ of OpenSAFELY to make it a ‘general purpose resource’ for academic research.
The platform has this week received £7m funding to launch a new research project into NHS talking therapy outcomes using GP data, as well as £10m to develop ‘new techniques for secure access to NHS data for research’. This investment from the Wellcome Trust will launch OpenSAFELY’s first venture into non-Covid research.
Professor Ben Goldacre, director of the Bennett Institute for Applied Data Science where the platform was developed, said the mental health research will rely on ‘secure analysis’ of NHS GP data at ‘unprecedented scale’.
‘We’re cautiously expanding to non-Covid research and the first big funded thing is mental health work,’ he said at a briefing on Wednesday.
NHS England’s director of data access Michael Chapman said they have been working with GPs to expand the ‘brilliant work done during the pandemic’ to ‘all diseases’, including cardiovascular disease and cancer.
He said on Wednesday: ‘So today we’re sharing with the Royal College of General Practitioners and the BMA the final drafts or documents to extend the legal basis beyond Covid-19 to make this a general purpose resource.
‘And those include the controls that we’ve agreed with them about […] how the profession will be engaged, the purposes for which the data can be used, and the purposes for which it can’t.’
NHS England confirmed to Pulse that these new legal directions need to be approved before the talking therapies research can go ahead, as currently the law only allows GP data to be used by OpenSAFELY for Covid-related research.
However, the commissioner has approved this expansion in principle and the official expansion is expected in the next few months following consultation with the BMA and RCGP’s joint IT committee.
This initial approval follows a Government-commissioned review in November which urged the Department of Health and Social Care to ‘accelerate the planned extension’ of OpenSAFELY to cover non-Covid health conditions.
The BMA told Pulse that they are ‘optimistic’ about the expansion of OpenSAFELY, but stressed the importance of upholding ‘the highest standard of patient confidentiality and security of patients’ data’.
Dr Mark Coley, the union’s GP Committee IT lead, said: ‘GPs take their responsibility as data controllers incredibly seriously and any secondary use of patient data must have a sound legal basis for its use along with appropriate oversight.
‘NHS England has been working with the profession to explore additional ways of using the coded data within the GP record, and, given the success of OpenSAFELY thus far for Covid-19-related work, we at the BMA are optimistic a way can be found to see this service expand carefully to non-Covid-19 purposes for the common good.’
Dr Coley also said the BMA has been ‘impressed’ with OpenSAFELY’s safeguards around privacy and their transparency, and he noted that the platform’s team has ‘engaged constructively’ with the IT committee.
The BMA has previously been cautious about the use of GP data for research, and in 2023 it refused to back a UK Biobank campaign asking all GP practices to release patient data via their IT systems.
OpenSAFELY’s design means that no patient-identifiable information is seen by its users, and the GP data does not leave the platform at any stage.
So far, the platform has enabled 181 research projects into a variety of Covid-related issues, including the demographics of those who get the virus and the efficacy of treatments.
The platform’s team has emphasised their commitment to trust and transparency, highlighting that GPs remain the data controller and that researchers never interact directly with the raw data.
Professor Goldacre pointed to the support of the BMA and the RCGP as a sign of the platform’s high privacy standards.
‘Because we put in so much work on privacy and transparency, we’ve been able to get support from all of the organizations that have historically objected to work on GP data,’ he said.
In October, the Government announced plans to make it easier for patient records to be used for research, by taking over responsibility for sharing data where patients have consented for it to be used in studies.
chris says
“The platform’s team has emphasised their commitment to trust and transparency, highlighting that GPs remain the data controller and that researchers never interact directly with the raw data.”
The immediate thought that came to my mind was: How will they differentiate truth from lies in the medical records, real serious mental conditions from serious adverse drug reactions and those drug reactions caused by doctors being covered up and patients being labelled as dangerous.
susanne says
That’s exactly my own thoughts and the main reason why I posted above. I was highlighting what you have identified because the issue of confidentiality although vital is being used a red herring to gloss over the way this proposed research will be using unreliable reports from GPs
susanne says
I don’t know how soon the GP’s records will be forwarded to the research teams but for sure they need to be checked for accuracy including the codes being used . Although if only the GPs data is being used and disputed it leads to what the individual puts on their record regarding the right to add and correct can become irrelevant. The issue of Coding is a mess of inaccuracy anyway and being carried out by other than a person’s GP including employed coders who play the system with GPs already . How to make sure the right information is being used once data bases are being set up is pretty hard to see. I have written to ask Ben Goldacre who should as a scientist be concerned about the accuracy of data
chris says
Really want to know what he has to say because there is a load of lies on my records and no doubt very many others.
chris says
Reply from NICE regarding akathisia.
Thank you for your further email to NICE.
We understand the importance of this issue, however, we are unable to investigate or intervene in complaints about healthcare or concerns for individual NHS trusts, doctors, or services (including where NICE guidance is not followed) as this is not part of our role.
The Medicines & Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) are responsible for issuing the licence for medications and have ongoing responsibility for monitoring the safety of medicines. A healthcare professional would be expected to refer to appropriate guidance when prescribing medication. They would need to consider and weight up the potential risks and benefits of a treatment on a case by case basis, in discussion with the individual, before deciding whether it is an appropriate treatment for them.
As you are aware, NICE are not asked to develop guidance on all conditions and our recommendations do not cover all clinical circumstances. We have not published any specific guidance on akathisia.
Topics for new or updated guidance are considered through the NICE prioritisation process. In 2024 we updated our guideline review, update, and prioritisation process which means a move away from a review at fixed points after publication to a more responsive process that reacts to the publication of new evidence, and the requirements of those working in the health and social care sector, when appropriate.
We continue to operate an active surveillance programme and when new evidence emerges, we proactively consider whether existing guidance should be reviewed and, if appropriate, updated. We also work to understand the current needs and priorities of the health and care system, and key stakeholders within it. Decisions as to whether NICE will create new, or update existing, guidance are overseen by an integrated, cross-organisational prioritisation board, chaired by NICE’s chief medical officer.
Section 7 of our topic prioritisation manual (PMG46) shows the eligibility criteria that we consider when making decisions on whether new guidance or updates of current guidance are appropriate. When there is not enough information to assess a new topic against the eligibility criteria, it is not progressed further. The new topic can be reconsidered when NICE is alerted that further information is available.
After considering the information above, if you would like to suggest a new topic for guidance, or feel that an update to any of our current guidance is warranted, you are welcome to complete the form on the prioritisation page of our website.
I hope this further information is useful.
https://www.nice.org.uk/about/what-we-do/prioritising-our-guidance-topics
chris says
This is the page to suggest a new topic for guidance:
https://www.nice.org.uk/forms/topic-suggestion
Dr. David Healy says
I’m likely to terminate questions about access to health records. This post is one of a set about the problems facing groups like the one set up by Shane and Mary and introduces a novel element to electronic medical records that is distinct from anything Ben Goldacre may be involved in
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