Tracking Down the Cause of Withdrawal and PSSD

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October 13, 2015 | 27 Comments

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  1. I agree that some adverse SSRI events are peripheral. During my 17 years on SSRI and, latterly, SNRI therapy I experienced what some doctors felt was a form of cauda equina. To be blunt, I experienced such numbness that my inner thighs could be pinched with fingernails and not feel pain.

    Cauda equina was investigated to no avail. Sensation began to return some 15 months after the medication was withdrawn.

    I have also had nerve conduction studies as part of investigations into what turned out to be tardive dystonia. They showed that the condition did not, to quote the neurologist, arise in my head.

    I shall watch this with interest.

  2. I’d like to add that I still suffer, five years post withdrawal, from cognitive and memory issues. In one test, I was asked to rattle off as many words as I could beginning with A. I was a journalist. Language is my forte, yet I stumbled my way through just 12 words. Any time I am placed under pressure, my brain scrambles, the persistent nod of my head becomes more marked and it’s difficult to put together a cohesive sentence. Had I been able to write them down, I am convinced that I would have performed better.

    It was this aspect of being on SSRIs which took me off air as a broadcaster. I simply could no longer speak a coherent sentence while trying to cue up music, time into the news etc. My multitasking capacity just disappeared into confusion.

  3. Oh, if you had only been here to witness yesterday’s events. I set about making a dress for my six month old granddaughter. I had to relearn long discarded skills – how to read a pattern, how to work a sewing machine, spent two and a half hours painstakingly cutting paper and fabric with scissor -defiant dystonic hands. Three hours in, my sister dropped by and was utterly distressed to see how much worse my nodding had become. The brain seems to flood, causing confusion and exaggerated movements when multi-tasking or relearning things that once came easily. It seems agitated, almost a form of akathisia. I’ve been trying, for many years now, to employ neuroplastic techniques in the hope of restoring normality. In the early months after withdrawal, I was reasonably positive, but feel today that the brain, despite its capacity to reroute so many functions and my continuing to challenge it, is continuing to decline in some important areas. I miss the person I used to be. Mind you, that person was hypomanic (fabulous worker) for all those years while on SSRIs and SNRIs. Makes me wonder if a few circuits just burned out after all the years of heightened activity and minimal sleep.

  4. The new site is very encouraging and states all the things that we, Di, Ruth and Me, had and are going through.

    In 2010 my potassium was 5.4 and I was told to cut out potassium foods which are high, which I did and its now down to 4.4

    Early in w/d I ate a banana and it made me so dizzy I had to lay down for hours til the effect passed.

    A couple of months ago Di ate banana and she was really ill after so it seems that your bit on bananas and potassium is very relevant to us.

    Many thanks for your continued help

  5. All this makes me wonder, yet again, what role Diltiazem may be playing in my continued tardive dystonia. Unfortunately, there would seem to be no safe way to put it to the test. Although not prescribed for heart failure, only high blood pressure, according to medical advice it is apparently not safe to stop taking it. Thoughts anyone?

  6. This approach seems valid. There is a rare disease where people can feel no pain called congenital analgesia which also stems from genetic defective neurons and their inability to transmit impulses because of the inactive sodium channels (thats what i understood).

    http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/the-people-who-cant-feel-pain-scientists-discover-cause-of-rare-inherited-condition-that-turns-off-10274604.html

    So if SSRI/SNRI cause epigenetic changes, causing Post-SSRI-Syndromes we need some agents to switch things back.

  7. I find all of this so disheartening and exhausting. I’m not a stupid person but I find having to wade through reams of content of this kind is impossible for someone with cognitive difficulties.
    The format of the site and the information on what helps with withdrawal needs to be simplified and laid out in a way that’s accessible and straight forward. I have no interest in wading through the chemistry of certain drugs as a little knowledge is a dangerous thing and each person is different, ergo, there are no simply solutions.
    It’s also vitally important that hope is given to those of us who are caught in the catch 22 of being unable to discontinue these drugs without debilitaitng withdrawal and the knowledge that they have reduced the quality of our emotional, intellectual and physical lives.

  8. “Few primary care doctors and almost no mental health professionals know a thing about Sodium, Potassium or Calcium channels or Transient Receptor Potential Channels featured above. But as the image above hints, there are lots of foods and other things that act on some of these channels that might hold a key to recovery.”
    What does this mean? What does one do with this information? How does this help us?

  9. Psychiatric drugs have completely demolished my brain. I now have abnormal EEG with severe sleep problems. Years taking psych drugs have literally erased my memory and since withdrawing ‘cold turkey’ from them all I have so many cognitive problems that now who needs sex? Please help those who are still able to enjoy it somewhat, at least. I love this website, and all who are striving to help the rest of us poor patients whose only demise was trusting, and believing our psychiatrists in the first place. Thank God I’m old now and don’t have that much longer to live.

  10. I stumbled across this website searching for information regarding withdrawal (from Xanax) pain.
    Although I am a nurse (and so used to reading medical and scientific word speak) I was not able to determine where you were going with reference to foods, in particular garlic, chili peppers.
    The reason this peaked my interest is because it seems that foods that make my pain worse are chili peppers (even bell peppers actually…nightshades??), and garlic salt. I seem to be able to handle dried garlic seasoning but not the salt. It is my understanding that this may be due the fact that the salt absorbs the oils from the garlic and therefore, it stays…active…for lack of a better description.

    SO…my question to you is…where were you going with listing these foods or compounds? Were they meant to indicate they would HELP or HURT recovery?

    Thanks!
    J

      • See below. I am likely going through either side effects, tolerance, or interdose withdrawl (or regular withdrawal) from XANAX. I DO have symptoms that started after starting to take a benzodiazapine in January of 2012 and have been searching and searching for an answer since. I used to be able to eat hot/spicy/chili peppers, take a calcium supplement, etc (as described in my second post) with no problems before starting being prescribed a benzodiazapine.
        So, IMO I guess…the right side of your scale just may produce similar bodily reactions/symptoms as some of these drugs (I am on a small dose of Lexapro too) OR these drugs make the body too sensitive to the actions of some of these foods.

  11. I’d left another post, not sure where it went. (question as to reasoning for the plants …chili peppers, garlic) and relation to withdrawal or other problems…as my hand and foot pain get worse when I eat them. Wondering if the graph is supposed to mean they might be helpful or harmful. If helpful, I may be on the wrong track. If harmful…this may be of help to you.

    I wanted to add (problems since starting to take a benzo again in 2012. Possibly? related to interdose withdrawal: Other things that make my hand pain, foot pain (all in the interossii muscles), headaches in sub occiptals, sometimes also temples, pain around the eyes, photo-sensitivity (also affects my ability to use computer or TV) worse (besides stress or anxiety). ANYTHING with Calcium added to it, especially Calcium Carbonate. eg: many cereals, breakfast bars, some canned foods. Foods with high calcium content (except dairy…seem to handle dairy okay but that is from an animal so maybe there’s a difference…or I’ve heard that we don’t absorb calcium from dairy…I don’t know). Other: Brocolli, kale (made a smoothie…trying to be healthier…bam! Pain!. Spinach. Most vegetables seem off limits actually.
    Chili pepper, jalepeno, cauliflower (one serving once in a great great while I MIGHT be able to get away with). Bell peppers. I have suspicions about tumeric (an anti-inflammatory…but not with me probably…go figure). I also suspect tomatoes (I’ve been avoiding them for the most part, so difficult to specify on that at the moment). After using Nizoral shampoo. Most antibiotics make me depressed or give me anxiety. Flagyl, which I was prescribed a couple months ago, was really bad for anxiety and obsession. I cannot recall if any made the pain flair, sorry. Exercise (like jogging…even a little … or weight lifting).
    Now, to add another wrench in the works. In the opposite direction…where anxiety/stress can make these symptoms worse … the opposite has happened when I was extremely happy and newly ‘in-love’. The symptoms decreased significantly…to where I could eat almost anything…including hot/spicy foods. I could eat them nearly every day if I wanted. Where-as, I either have to limit them to once in a while or eliminate them completely. I do not know if I handled Calcium supplements in foods or the dark green vegetables during that time (not a big fan of them in normal life anyway) so cannot comment on that. FYI…the relationship was quite a roller coaster and when we’d fight or break up, I would go back to having the pain/anxiety/and not being able to eat those foods and back to pain-free eating what I wanted when we’d get back together.
    If it sounds like I have so many details about this weird stuff, it is because I’ve spent 3 of the last 4 years keeping notes, going to doctors, getting this test, that test,fearing the worst…. blah blah blah…to try and figure out what the heck is wrong…because no one seems to know except there is empathy for the multitude of symptoms on benzo withdrawal support forums. (I do have some other symptoms, but the ones I’ve listed are the ones that stand out that seem to have a connection to foods/substances as well as the emotional ones.

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