Autistic Spectrum Disorder and SSRIs

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October 25, 2016 | 14 Comments

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  1. Dear David, I have only time for a quick message just now.
    The key thing is that there is indeed a correlation of ssri with autism, but it isn’t causal. My research has made clear that the main cause of autism nowadays is mercury vapor from the non-gamma-2 dental amalgams introduced 40 years ago. Mercury is also a (indeed the main) cause of depression. So both the autism and the depression are being caused by the mercury and hence the treatment for depression correlates with the autism.
    This is discussed much more fully in a book I have just finished writing, with 36 graphs and 320 scientific references, titled “Experts Lying to You!”. Mercury expert Prof Boyd Haley says “I highly recommend this book”.
    A temporary website for the book is at http://www.pseudoexpertise.com where you can register for updates and I hope to get the book available in the next month or so. With best wishes.

    • And the dental profession continues to have one of the highest rates of suicide, despite the fact you might expect the majority of them to be relatively comfortable with their lot…..interesting….

  2. Robin

    Mercury can cause problems. This blog and posts on David Healy.org make it clear mercury causes lots of problems and these have gone unrecognised. It may have been the primary cause for classic autism.

    But it is unlikely to be the cause for all depression and certainly not for all nervous problems that lead to scripts for SSRIs, and not for all cases of ASD either. It is clear that SSRIs alone cause birth defects in animals with no exposure to mercury, and behavioral defects in animals with no exposure to mercury and we have to assume in the 25 or so studies referenced in the article linked to this blog post that mercury exposure was distributed across both those on SSRIs and those not if only because these days the problems that lead to SSRI treatment are not ones that women bring to doctors seeking treatment but ones that doctors or services force on women.

    This is rather like the opioid epidemic in the davidhealy.org post this week. This hasn’t happened because of mercury. Its down to lethal marketing. In the case of SSRIs you can show exactly the same people switching view from 1990 to 2010 and their views being aggressively marketed.

    Are the experts lying? Some do. Most don’t. The experts whose genuinely held views fit a marketing agenda get picked up and promoted while contrary views are silenced.

    Having said all this – I’m sure your book will be a good read

    David

  3. I trust that your definition OF ASD – going by your remark about what is definitely NOT ASD – would run along the lines of ‘ a difficulty with social interaction’? If so, if it’s that simple, then I suggest that we could all give you a lengthy list of possible cases – mainly doctors, psychiatrists and members of parliament who have grave difficulties when it comes to effective interaction skills!
    My remark, obviously, is not a serious one – but the increase in cases of ASD is very much on a serious note. Interestingly, Victoria Derbyshire was, today, discussing new ‘super-parenting’ ideas for parents of autistic children. It was stated that parents working with their children from age 2, encouraging engagement by letting the child lead and the parent being super-aware of gestures etc. and ‘reading’ their child’s unique way of interacting had the potential of improvement in their child (beyond the expected development of an autistic child) for up to six years. The comments, mainly, were to do with lack of diagnosis at that crucial, early stage in a child’s development.
    ASD is the ‘in diagnosis’ of the moment but normally not handed out until the child is around seven years of age. It may indeed be a ‘fuzzy’ diagnosis but life-changing as far as many families are concerned. It satisfies the parents (mums mainly) that it is not their parenting skills that are lacking – but rather that their child needs to be nurtured in a ‘different’ way.
    We know that autism is so much more than a difficulty in social interaction – that for the ASD label to be handed out there needs to be a ‘triad of impairment’ covering a rigidity of thoughts and reactions that goes way beyond getting along with others. To my mind, the most severe effect is the emotional imbalance caused by their difficulty in coping with everyday life. This difficulty seems to leave them at a loss of dealing with ‘life’ itself. From an early age, some talk of ‘not wanting to be alive’ and dealing with this can be harrowing for parents – especially in this day and age of so many suicides being in the news.
    I know very little about the effect of SSRIs pre-birth but find it a plausible possibility. I also hold alcohol accountable for many pre-birth problems. To my mind, Foetal Alcohol Syndrome is being hidden in the ASD labelling. Symptoms of both are quite similar – alcohol leads to foetal ‘poisoning’ so, surely, SSRIs can have the same consequences.
    In conclusion, whatever the cause, these problems are with us and probably here to stay therefore we need to learn how to deal with them. Firstly, parents must accept their responsibilities for the development of their children whatever problems may be present. We are in an age where mums are far more attached to their mobile tech gadgets than they are to their children in many cases ( across all social classes)

  4. (comment shot off unfinished!)
    Parents must not use a ‘label’ given for their child’s condition as an excuse to give up their parenting role of guiding and nurturing. Schools must be aware of all children’s potentials and not simply dwell on their difficulties. Mental health services must support the child, parents and schools for the all- round development of the child in finding its place in society. Lastly, and most importantly, medications should NEVER be an acceptable addition to a life already damaged by elements from without their surroundings at a crucial point before their birth.

  5. Thank you so much for posting this. The SSRI link helps explains why the prevalence for ASD’s have skyrocketed off the charts in recent years.

    Another awful reason I can’t have children. I’m not willing to subject my baby to withdrawal at birth and risk all kinds of other potentially damaging problems.

    I talk about how the SSRI and gabapentin tapers have left me with lasting chronic pain but it’s also ruined the ability to have a sex life, messed w attraction, and caused me not to be able to have children.

  6. Dear Mary,
    I agree with everything you say especially:
    trust that your definition OF ASD – going by your remark about what is definitely NOT ASD – would run along the lines of ‘ a difficulty with social interaction’? If so, if it’s that simple, then I suggest that we could all give you a lengthy list of possible cases – mainly doctors, psychiatrists and members of parliament who have grave difficulties when it comes to effective interaction skills!
    I am also worried about the following you have mentioned:
    We are in an age where mums are far more attached to their mobile tech gadgets than they are to their children in many cases ( across all social classes)
    This is quite sad because we see it happening every day.
    From, this article it is interesting to note that it is suggesting that SSRI’s does not cause harm to the developing foetus.
    I would tend to disagree with the data because I am quite certain that all the relevant data would be deleted especially, when it comes to looking after the interests of big pharma.
    I wonder who does all the assessments of data and statistics and if all the truth is put out there for everyone to see.
    Are all these statistics credible????
    Statistics do not base their information on objectivity.
    I once mentioned for the first time there has been a landmark ruling for a child whose parents claim that his autism was triggered by MMR.
    The parents of Valentino Bocca have been awarded compensation from the Italian ministry of health.
    The story is a tragic one, Valentino, developing normally, was given the shot at 14 months and started to suffer from diarrhoea, lost interest in food and within a few days lost the ability to use his spoon. Worse was soon to come when he began to be restless at night, screaming in pain for hours. It was later found that he was suffering from a painful bowel condition that is common in autistic children. With an adjusted diet of no wheat or milk, he was able to sleep but the autism symptoms continued, and even at the age of nine, he still does not speak.
    In the US over 5000 families are known to the mainstream media as believing that the MMR shot has triggered autism in their children, and the real figure could be much higher.
    So why should SSRI’s be an exception to the rule?
    We don’t know what they put in SSR’s and we certainly don’t have all the evidence/information or facts to understand/appreciate how these medicines impact the developing foetus.
    How much of the negative clinical data trials is swept under the carpet?
    This is what worries me because all the information is not put out there.
    Then there are all the injections that mothers have whilst pregnant, such as:
    – the vitamin D injection
    – Vaccinations
    – Other injections that we don’t even question whilst pregnant
    Imagine, the deleterious effects on the foetus once the injections are administered in conjunction with the SSRI’s the mother is ingesting.
    We just don’t have access to the unknown damages it can cause to the developing brain of the foetus? ~ This worries me!
    In addition to these toxins, there are also other factors that predisposes a developing foetus to abnormal developmental risks such as: stress, drug intake, Foetal Alcohol Syndrome, pre-eclampsia, severe morning sickness and other pregnancy complications.
    If these medicines cause negative adverse reactions to some children and adults, such as: cognitive impairment,suicide, aneurysms, diabetes, encephalitis, severe breakdown of digestive system, cardiovascular problems or other medical problems etc. imagine the overwhelming harm it can do to some developing foetuses.
    In my opinion, if we don’t have all the information about the harm these medicines induce to the developing foetus, I believe it is not worth the risk. ~ my opinion.
    In summary, I believe strongly that all the toxins we put into our body has a risk of harming the developing foetus.
    Anyone, who believes different, in my opinion, does not have all the conclusive evidence to claim that vaccinations, alcohol, drugs and other medicines do not cause any harm to the developing foetus.
    If we do not have all the information, we are just giving the unborn no say.
    I am sure that all the data is misconstrued and flawed and it would be interesting to note if many developmental disorders are attributed from:
    – the injections that mothers have whilst pregnant
    – to the antidepressants mothers have whilst pregnant
    – the onset of prescripticide begins to take place after baby is born with all the
    vaccinations that babies are subjected to.
    If we are human boxes, I hate to think how much of the information is flawed.
    Robin P Clarke, I also believe that mercury causes problems to the brain.
    I wonder if the scientists still put thermisol in vaccinations??
    As for the BIS-GMA composites that have replaced mercury restorations, what makes anyone think that they are any better than mercury?
    Have they done extensive research to eliminate any risks with the current restorations that dentists are replacing mercury fillings with, today??
    It worries me when professionals state:
    It is safe.
    Don’t worry.
    You are just being overly anxious!

  7. We became involved with a local group of parents of Aspergers and ASD youngsters when we were invited to go to talk to them about the dangers of RoAccutane/isotretinoin. The charity we set up in our son’s name, to help those suffering with anxiety, has since been funding a little a marvellous club they’ve started, to encourage the youngsters to go out together for a meal and socialising. They understand each other so well and it is proving a great success. They all suffer with anxiety but they share their ways of coping and give each other space.

    Next week a friend of ours, who teaches teenage ASD children, is giving a talk about her work to all the parents and we are invited too. I have sent the group the information shown here about SSRIs and ASD and it will be interesting to hear what their take on it is. Listening to their stories, we’ve been struck by their struggles to get a diagnosis, and the stress of having to cope day to day when most of the public don’t understand what ASD is and why children see the world as such a confusing and threatening place.

  8. ‘Paracetamol in pregnancy linked to hyperactivity. Many women who take paracetamol (acetaminophen) for pain and fever when they’re pregnant, assured that it’s safe – but new research now reveals that it causes a range of behavioural problems, including hyperactivity, in the child.’ JAMAL Pediatr. 2016

    This could account for our older son being ADHD. I took paracetamol for a bad case of flu just over 3 months into the pregnancy. Apparently those mums who took it at 18 weeks were more likely to have behavioural or hyperactivity problems, while those who took it at 32 weeks had emotional problems. This has been discovered by researchers at the University of Bristol and Cardiff University School of Medicine.

    No one ever said paracetamol could affect the unborn child….

    • Paracetamol impairs glutathione functioning, and glutathoine status is one of the prime indicators of health. What an idiotic way to “care” for one’s health by ingesting such rubbish! Furthermore the glutathione is vitally necessary for detoxing mercury, and consequently it is all too obvious why Paratwatamol would be a risk factor for mercury-caused autism.

  9. (Gosh, a whole busy month has passed in my absence.)
    (I’ll see if html tags work here…)
    “But [mercury] is unlikely to be the cause for all depression and certainly not for all nervous problems that lead to scripts for SSRIs, and not for all cases of ASD either.”

    Indeed, in respect of most psychiatric conditions, as I see it they are at the interface between brain chemistry and outside psycho-social environment. Stressful circumstances clearly play a role in psychoses and neuroses, and also arguably have an impact on how autistics cope or don’t. However….. I made graphs of the history time-series of increase of “insanity”, from the book by E Torrey Fuller. When I get my website properly set up (and or you see the book) you’ll be able to see how “insanity” hardly existed before the introduction of amalgam. Meanwhile it’s complicated because a person can inhale mercury vapour from others (in draughtproofed rooms), a bit like passive smoking. I suspect that “sudden infant death syndrome” is also caused by breathing in parents’ mercury vapor; it fits all the facts.

    Oh and I’m certainly not trying to suggest that SSRIs etc are a good thing. Cured my own (transient) depression with vit b6, I’ve since been insanely un-depressed by circumstances that should warrant constant suicide.

    “and we have to assume in the 25 or so studies referenced in the article linked to this blog post that mercury exposure was distributed across both those on SSRIs and those not”

    I’m sceptical of that assumption myself. I note your reasoning that:
    “if only because these days the problems that lead to SSRI treatment are not ones that women bring to doctors seeking treatment but ones that doctors or services force on women.”
    The thing is that it could still be a matter of those “services” responding to “diagnoses” of depression which just happened to be caused by mercury in the first place. Another symptom of mercury is getting angry and non-compliant which surely raises the risk of “services” getting both involved and forceful.

    “Are the experts lying? Some do. Most don’t. The experts whose genuinely held views fit a marketing agenda get picked up and promoted while contrary views are silenced.”

    Well, I think you’ve made the key point there. More fully stated,
    (1) there is a minority of “elite” experts who either tell the lies, or at least defend the convenient pseudoscience myths (such as a certain prof at Oxford who STILL defends statins as useful and not causing muscle problems), then
    (2) there are the hordes of academics and GPs intimidated into going along with the “guidance” issued by the GMC sheepdogs, and meanwhile
    (3) the dissidents get deregistered or dumped as in your own case.

    Meanwhile I find reading comprehension a bit difficult, which has the fortunate consequece that I am demanding of the readability of my own writing such as to make it a relatively good read (I like to think!).

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